Humphries drags the awful truth out
of Miliband
Had
That is a very relevant question at
the moment, given that, at a summit in
“The Parties agree that
an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be
considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such
an armed attack occurs, each of them … will assist the Party or Parties so
attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other
Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force,
to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.” [1]
The UK Foreign Secretary, David
Miliband, visited
“I am holding talks today with international partners and
will be visiting
Not much doubt there that it is the
British Government’s view that Georgia was subject to an armed attack by Russia
within the meaning of Article 5 of the Treaty and that, had Georgia been a
party to the Treaty, NATO should have rushed to its aid to repel this “Russian
aggression”.
Nick Brown asks key question
One might have thought that this
question would be the subject of intense debate in
However, a contrary opinion has been
expressed from an unlikely quarter, namely, from within the Government
itself. The dissenter was Nick Brown,
who re-entered the Government in June 2007 (as Deputy Chief Whip and Minister
for the North East of England), when his long time political friend, Gordon
Brown, became Prime Minister. Here’s what
he wrote in The Guardian on 19 August
2008, in response to David Cameron:
“Cameron urges Nato to
admit
“There is a bigger point
here. If western hawks really are advocating Nato membership for every small
country that borders the
That runs directly counter to the policy
of the Government of which he is a member and would normally be grounds for
instant dismissal from the Government.
Nick Brown has survived, at least for now, because his dismissal would
have provoked unwelcome discussion about why the Government is following a
policy that could lead us into all-out war with
Miliband
answers key question - eventually
That David Miliband is not anxious
to have this question discussed openly was evident in an interview he gave to
the Today programme on BBC Radio 4
the morning after his visit to
“Do we really mean to commit
ourselves to all-out war against the
Three minutes or so later, after Humphries
had insisted seven times that he answer the question, he finally capitulated
and said YES, though not in so many words.
A transcript of this part of the interview is given in Appendix I(A)
below. It shows his desperation not to
answer the question. But, thanks to
Humphries’ persistence, he eventually had to concede.
His last line of defence was that bringing
the countries of Eastern Europe into NATO would prevent them being attacked (by
“… embedding these countries in European institutions,
giving them the strength of European security is actually the way to prevent
hot conflict. It’s actually the way to
ensure that peaceful relations are established on a basis that isn’t an
imbalance of power.”
At this point, John Humphries
intervened to ask:
“And if that premise fails, then we are prepared to defend
them at the point of a gun?”
David Miliband still couldn’t bring
himself to say YES, to state plainly that, once
“Well, the NATO commitments are to do that. That’s written into the NATO Charter.”
Indeed it is – Article 5 of the
North Atlantic Treaty requires NATO to render armed assistance to a member
under armed attack.
Foreign
Office falsifies account
There is an account of David
Miliband’s interview with Today on
the Foreign Office website [4]. For understandable reasons, it is a grossly
misleading account. It doesn’t mention
that John Humphries asked Nick Brown’s question or that he had to badger the
Foreign Secretary for three minutes in order to get him to answer it in the
affirmative. All that is omitted.
Instead, the account consists of two
portions of the Foreign Secretary’s replies, prefaced by two questions, neither
of which was asked by John Humphries – they were both made up by the Foreign
Office (see Appendix I(B) below for details).
The Foreign Office simply falsified
the record because this issue is so sensitive.
The Government is enthusiastically pressing for
Decision in
December
NATO decided in principle to allow
So going to war with
NATO
expansion benign
Earlier in the Today interview, Miliband tried to portray NATO expansion eastwards
as a benign development threatening nobody and certainly not
“And the point I want to
underline above all others is that what’s happened since the collapse of the
One would never guess that he is
talking here about the expansion a nuclear-armed military alliance up to the
borders of
“The Americans promised that Nato wouldn’t move beyond the
boundaries of Germany after the Cold War but now half of central and eastern
Europe are members, so what happened to their promises? It shows they cannot be
trusted.” [5]
NATO expansion took place against this
background. It didn’t have to take
place. There is nothing in the North
Atlantic Treaty that says that every state that wants to be admitted has to be
admitted. On the contrary, a state has
to receive a unanimous invitation from existing members. As Article 10 of the Treaty says:
“The Parties may, by
unanimous agreement, invite any other
Miliband’s portrayal of NATO
expansion as merely the product of a desire to join on the part of Eastern
European states is duplicitous. The truth
is that the West has sought to expand its sphere of influence eastwards in
As a Guardian editorial, entitled Belligerent
bluster, on 29 August 2008 said:
“To claim, as David
Miliband did yesterday, that Nato did not have a sphere of influence and that
the eastern expansion of the military alliance was merely an expression of
individual democracies exercising their new-found sovereignty, was
breathtakingly disingenuous.” [6]
The editorial ended (in what is a
shift in editorial line):
“The way to counter the
forces unleashed on August 7 is clear: stop rearranging the furniture on
Russia's sensitive southern border; stop militarising the Black Sea; stop
pretending that this is only a conflict about loftier goals, a simple struggle
between authoritarianism and western liberal democracy. The ethnically driven
post-Soviet map is more complex than that. Local conflicts should be kept
local. As things stand, everything is being done to widen them out to the regional
level. As a result,
APPENDIX I John Humphries poses
Nick Brown’s question to David Miliband
Today, BBC Radio 4, 28 August 2008
(A) Transcript prepared from audio on the Today website
JH Do we really mean to commit ourselves to all
out-war against the
DM We don’t want all-out war with
JH But can you answer that question? And I ask that question because as you will
know … go on
DM There’s no question of launching an all-out
war against
JH That question was raised by your Cabinet
colleague, Nick Brown.
DM Well
one of the things that I said yesterday, which I think is relevant to this, is
no-one ever doubted that a Russian army of up to 800,000 people was going to
defeat a Georgian army of 18,000 people. Indeed that has happened over the last
two weeks. The question, though, for
What’s happened to the Russian stock
market since the Georgian crisis? It’s
fallen in a very significant way. And
what’s the change in the world over the last 40 or 50 years? In 1968, no one asked about the impact on the
Soviet stock market of the invasion of
JH But I note you haven’t answered that question
raised by your own colleague, Nick Brown.
Do we really mean to commit ourselves to all-out war in the event of etc
etc etc?
DM We’re certainly not committing ourselves to
all-out war.
JH But that is what membership of NATO
means? If one of our allies in NATO is
attacked, we defend them. That’s what it is.
DM Let’s address that point.
JH Well, I wish you would.
DM I’ve referred twice in this interview to
JH Indeed you have, but you haven’t answered this
crucial question.
DM I’m addressing it because it’s precisely the
question that was raised 10 years ago, when these countries asked to join NATO
and they were allowed to join. People
said, are you really saying that if there are Russian tanks in
JH And if that premise fails, then we are
prepared to defend them at the point of a gun?
DM Well, the NATO commitments are to do
that. That’s written into the NATO
Charter.
That is why it is a very careful process before countries are admitted
to NATO; there's a critical issue of building up the armed forces of those
countries; it's also important that the popular support in those countries
needs to be there. I don't hide the fact at all, and I thought you might
raise it, Ukrainian people haven't decided they want to join NATO; in fact the
Ukrainian government's position is that there'd have to be a referendum in
their own country because there are different views about it.
That is the point about a vibrant, healthy democracy, they can have
those debates; and the pathway to membership of NATO is not a quick fix, it
involves a long period of building up capacity, building up the relationship
between not just military institutions but political institutions and ensuring
that the country wants that blanket of European security. But it is not,
repeat not, an offensive alliance, NATO. Neither is the EU an offensive
alliance.
(B) Account from the Foreign Office website [4]
This account on the Foreign Office
website consists of the two italicised portions of Miliband’s replies in
Section A above, prefaced by
(1)
Next he was asked about the possibility of war with
(2) Finally, he was
asked should
As the transcript in
Section A shows, John Humphries asked neither of these questions – they were
both made up by the Foreign Office. This
portion of the interview was taken up entirely with John Humphries trying to
get an answer to Nick Brown’s question.
The Foreign Office have
falsified the record in order to conceal the fact the Nick Brown’s question was
asked and, under pressure from John Humphries, was eventually answered in the
affirmative, thereby confirming that all-out war with Russia is a possible
consequence of the Government’s policy of insisting that Georgia be brought
into NATO.
David
Morrison
30 August
2008
www.david-morrison.org.uk
References:
[1] www.nato.int/docu/basictxt/treaty.htm
[2] www.fco.gov.uk/en/newsroom/latest-news/?view=PressS&id=5599999
[3] www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/aug/19/davidcameron.conservatives
[4] www.fco.gov.uk/en/newsroom/latest-news/?view=News&id=5609409
[5] www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/1933223/Gorbachev-US-could-start-new-Cold-War.html
[6] www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/aug/29/russia.georgia